So, today I'm in class, and somewhat bored. This class is "Leading in a Culture of Change", and its more or less a rehash of all the corporate "leadership" rhetoric from the 80's.

Truly, I find it somewhat discouraging and disturbing that the church is training its leaders using materials from the corporate world. Is there really no diference between church leadership and corporate leadership? Obviously, there is a huge difference.

I can't help but think that the time spent in this class would be much better spent on spiritual development, in prayer. I suppose its a necessary function of what a seminary is, but why must they focus so much more on knowledge transfer? I don't know that knowledge transfer is of any help in leadership

It's a weird feeling when you discover that someone is quoting you. In this particular case, someone known only as 'Vinnie' posted a copy of a newsgroup message I wrote about a year ago at http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-79598.html:

Stipulating (but not necessarily conceding) that the gospels are notbasically historical, the crucifixion is unlikely to be fabricated. The problem is this - Jesus is described as Christ from the beginning of the Christian movement. The Christ - or Messiah - was in Jewish expectation the king of Judah who would finally overcome foreign overlordship and restore the people of YHWH to their rightful place of glory.

Crucifixion at the hands of the Romans would present a prima facie case that Jesus was *not* the Messiah. It seems grossly improbable to suppose that any Christian would have made it up.

The guy actually calls me a scholar! Anyway, the message he refers to can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/15248".